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Post by Asherian Command on Feb 20, 2014 3:37:02 GMT
Alright I will tell what happened at the end of the story tomorrow.
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Post by Asherian Command on Feb 20, 2014 19:29:51 GMT
Alrighty let me answer this ethical dilemma....
After the man had said what he had said. The mayor dropped his gun and refused to kill the three men.
The Officer ordered his men to open fire.
And all thousand people were killed.
The German Army then moved on to fight in the war.
Okay let me answer why he choose not to kill the three prisoners. Because of the one thing they said. "Liberty."
It shows us that these men were willing to die for a cause they believed in. And the mayor thought to himself he might as well die for a better cause than living. The People who were there were just sacrifices for a bigger cause. He died ethically, and he did not break his morals or anything, he died with the cause of liberty and not lying to his people and not living with the idea that he killed those three men because of an evil man told him to do it.
You cannot ever be forced to do evil, you may die, but so what. If you die you die with good intentions and for being a good person. These circumstances are being forced upon and why would you do an evil deed because someone evil told you to do evil?
It is your decision. The officer was techincally the one killing those men, but no matter what you did. Those men died, and so would you in the end.
This is a true story and it is quite a sad story.
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Post by Asherian Command on Feb 20, 2014 22:08:11 GMT
Why is the German Officer evil in this instance. Because he is forcing someone to kill another. It is an evil act to kill another. And it is unethical.
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Post by Darko on Feb 20, 2014 22:17:18 GMT
It's poetic and all to die for a noble cause, but you underestimate the sheer survival instinct that many people possess. Plus, I think many would rather repress their ethics if it meant they could continue to live. After all, in that situation, sure all of those people died for a noble idealism, yet in practical terms they died for absolutely nothing at all. Their deaths don't set right anything that happened in that scenario, under the given facts. No evil or wrong can be put right if the oppressed are not alive to fight the oppressors.
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Post by Asherian Command on Feb 20, 2014 22:24:34 GMT
It's poetic and all to die for a noble cause, but you underestimate the sheer survival instinct that many people possess. Plus, I think many would rather repress their ethics if it meant they could continue to live. After all, in that situation, sure all of those people died for a noble idealism, yet in practical terms they died for absolutely nothing at all. Their deaths don't set right anything that happened in that scenario, under the given facts. No evil or wrong can be put right if the oppressed are not alive to fight the oppressors. Hmm. A great philosopher once said. "Two things awe me most, the starry sky above me and the moral law within me. " The biggest difference between us and animals is our ethics. I believe our ethics should come first, not our instinct. But oh well. Every is entitled to their opinion
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Post by Darko on Feb 20, 2014 22:33:43 GMT
It's poetic and all to die for a noble cause, but you underestimate the sheer survival instinct that many people possess. Plus, I think many would rather repress their ethics if it meant they could continue to live. After all, in that situation, sure all of those people died for a noble idealism, yet in practical terms they died for absolutely nothing at all. Their deaths don't set right anything that happened in that scenario, under the given facts. No evil or wrong can be put right if the oppressed are not alive to fight the oppressors. Hmm. A great philosopher once said. "Two things awe me most, the starry sky above me and the moral law within me. " The biggest difference between us and animals is our ethics. I believe our ethics should come first, not our instinct. But oh well. Every is entitled to their opinion Ideally, yes. But don't forget ambitions, hopes, dreams, loves and responsibilities to name a few subjectively very strong factors that would deter a person from standing by their ethics in the face of death. Is it not ethically wrong on some level to refuse to do as the officer demands? Despite the fact that it forces you to commit an evil act, by committing that act you can save those 1000 (presumed) innocent lives? Ethics 101 does say that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, and although that is highly debatable (who has the right to decide whose life is worth more or less?) we should remain on topic. Nonetheless, it is an important perspective to examine in a hypothetical situation such as this.
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Post by Asherian Command on Feb 20, 2014 22:35:48 GMT
Ideally, yes. But don't forget ambitions, hopes, dreams, loves and responsibilities to name a few subjectively very strong factors that would deter a person from standing by their ethics in the face of death. Is it not ethically wrong on some level to refuse to do as the officer demands? Despite the fact that it forces you to commit an evil act, by committing that act you can save those 1000 (presumed) innocent lives? Ethics 101 does say that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, and although that is highly debatable (who has the right to decide whose life is worth more or less?) we should remain on topic. Nonetheless, it is an important perspective to examine in a hypothetical situation such as this. I completely agree. I personally would kill the three people. But eh. Anyway. It is a very interesting topic and the hypothetical situation always raises eyebrows.
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Post by coolyo294 on Feb 20, 2014 22:39:38 GMT
I kill them
How selfish of him
Source please
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Post by Asherian Command on Feb 20, 2014 22:47:38 GMT
I kill them How selfish of him
Source pleaseHow is that selfish? Tell me. How is that selfish? It would be selfish to kill the men.
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Post by coolyo294 on Feb 20, 2014 22:50:41 GMT
Placing your own ethics and the lives of three men over the lives of a thousand is incredibly selfish, in my opinion.
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