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Post by Asherian Command on Feb 20, 2014 23:00:56 GMT
Placing your own ethics and the lives of three men over the lives of a thousand is incredibly selfish, in my opinion. Placing an idea of Liberty and freedom in front of their lives is worth more than all of those peoples lives. Their lives were forfeit. His life was forfeit. Why would he break his ethics and break what is right in order to do a wrong? Doing evil because someone told you so. You cannot fully predict that they might pull the trigger. It is completely ethical and unselfish if you are doing it not because of yourself. If you were an ego centrist you will pull the trigger and murder those men. Because you are saving your life as well! There is no clear answer to this. It is just philiosphy and brings up great questions about life.
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Post by coolyo294 on Feb 20, 2014 23:04:23 GMT
Placing your own ethics and the lives of three men over the lives of a thousand is incredibly selfish, in my opinion. Placing an idea of Liberty and freedom in front of their lives is worth more than all of those peoples lives. Their lives were forfeit. Congratulations, this is the stupidest thing I've read in a long time. I'm not going to have this discussion with you.
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Post by imposter101 on Feb 20, 2014 23:04:27 GMT
"The death of one man is a tradgey, the death of a thousand men is a statistic."
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Post by Darko on Feb 20, 2014 23:06:18 GMT
Placing an idea of Liberty and freedom in front of their lives is worth more than all of those peoples lives. Their lives were forfeit. Congratulations, this is the stupidest thing I've read in a long time. I'm not going to have this discussion with you. Remember to be respectful. You haven't crossed the line, but that does come close. Ash, you are examining this hypothetical situation as an idealist, not a realist.
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Post by Asherian Command on Feb 20, 2014 23:08:16 GMT
Congratulations, this is the stupidest thing I've read in a long time. I'm not going to have this discussion with you. Remember to be respectful. You haven't crossed the line, but that does come close. Ash, you are examining this hypothetical situation as an idealist, not a realist. I approach everything as an Idealist. Hence the charm of me. In this situation anything is considered selfish.
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Post by imposter101 on Feb 20, 2014 23:12:18 GMT
Remember to be respectful. You haven't crossed the line, but that does come close. Ash, you are examining this hypothetical situation as an idealist, not a realist. I approach everything as an Idealist. Hence the charm of me. In this situation anything is considered selfish. Some would consider than delusional, not charming.
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Post by Darko on Feb 20, 2014 23:12:40 GMT
Remember to be respectful. You haven't crossed the line, but that does come close. Ash, you are examining this hypothetical situation as an idealist, not a realist. I approach everything as an Idealist. Hence the charm of me. In this situation anything is considered selfish. That's a subjective opinion, not a fact. You need to be willing to look at it from other people's perspectives, otherwise it's not a debate. It isn't selfish to want to live, that's a human right. Being placed in a position where inaction means the certain deaths of 1004 people and killing three (not murdering in the true sense) has even a chance of resulting in the remaining 1001 people surviving, then I would venture that a person is obligated to put their hubris aside for the greater good of the community. There isn't a simple right or wrong here, much of what happens is very morally grey. However, any action that doesn't support what I call damage limitation (ie, making the best of a bad situation) only results in a worse outcome.
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Post by Asherian Command on Feb 20, 2014 23:19:32 GMT
I approach everything as an Idealist. Hence the charm of me. In this situation anything is considered selfish. That's a subjective opinion, not a fact. You need to be willing to look at it from other people's perspectives, otherwise it's not a debate. It isn't selfish to want to live, that's a human right. Being placed in a position where inaction means the certain deaths of 1004 people and killing three (not murdering in the true sense) has even a chance of resulting in the remaining 1001 people surviving, then I would venture that a person is obligated to put their hubris aside for the greater good of the community. There isn't a simple right or wrong here, much of what happens is very morally grey. However, any action that doesn't support what I call damage limitation (ie, making the best of a bad situation) only results in a worse outcome. Oh I completely agree with what people are saying. I am just saying no matter where you look at it. Someone has to die. Like I have already said, I would kill those three people. For the greater good, but this person at the time was thinking not about themselves but about what was right and what was wrong. Does he do an evil as so many others would do. Or would he flat out say no, and defy authority? Defy the very thing that was trying to make him commit a henious crime. The death of those 1000 people and you, are not your doing. It is the Officers alone. He was the one that murdered those people. You are not to blame. You did not decide to wake up and murder the people. You didn't decide to have the rifle unloaded with no bullets. You didn't decide who to kill. This isn't your fault. It is the officers. The officer is the one who murdered you and those people. So again. I ask you. What ought you to do? Other than shoot those men. Do you defy what is right and do an evil deed because of outside influence? Or do you stand for liberty? Those three men are willing to die for liberty. Why wouldn't the town die for the same cause? To die for a better reason than they ever would live for? It is a very idealistic, but it is a very unselfish Menander. I can say that there is lots of things wrong here. But it is a situation with no winners. Plus who is to say the officer will keep his promise in the first place?
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Post by Asherian Command on Feb 20, 2014 23:21:54 GMT
I approach everything as an Idealist. Hence the charm of me. In this situation anything is considered selfish. Some would consider than delusional, not charming. I agree. But sometimes coming out as an idealist over a realist has won me more friends, than enemies.
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Post by Darko on Feb 20, 2014 23:25:42 GMT
Ash, you keep repeating yourself. You also state what you would do yet you doubt it, in fact even ideally support the opposite. Yet, I'm fairly sure all of your points have been answered thus far.
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